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Ed Day 2022 - Shared screen with speaker view
Jesse Watson
04:43:14
Students may take these tiny differences to mean they are or aren't becoming a "good doctor", when the reality is that most or all of them are doing fine...
Sherry Clouser
05:02:23
You mentioned that students sometimes don't appreciate the S/M/U system - do you talk about this during orientation or periodically through the program?
Katie Sheats | NCSU (she, her)
05:02:46
Do students get numerical scores on their graded assessments?
Jesse Watson
05:06:38
In a recent open-ended survey of students, many noted they expected classmates will bug teachers less in the new pass/fail system
Erik Hofmeister
05:07:58
I did contract grading including pass/fail assessments and I had a LOT less arguing with students over points. Strong recommend.
Patsy Butterbrodt
05:12:24
In "graded" classes, students know where they failed. When a class is pass/fail, if a student fails, is there a clear understanding of what exactly they failed? e.g. content - knowledge, skill, exactly HOW they failed (#questions missed or how skill was not passed)?
Katie Sheats | NCSU (she, her)
05:13:52
Any follow up feedback from your alumni on having come through a P/F system?
India Lane
05:21:17
yikes
Jesse Watson
05:21:24
indeed
Erik Hofmeister
05:23:04
As a '00 WSU alumn, I would advocate changing _all_ courses at the same time. When I came through clinics, large animal rotations were graded but small animal were P/F. As a small animal person, that definitely affected me. On the plus side, I can tell students that you can be successful even without an amazing GPA. :)
Patsy Butterbrodt
05:30:59
True, Erik! I regularly compare vet school with Olympics - even the last one in an Olympic race is celebrated as an Olympic athlete - same with vet students!
Erik Hofmeister
05:40:19
Thanks!
Katie Sheats | NCSU (she, her)
05:41:51
@Laura - are we going to switch for all years at one time or will the change follow the incoming class?
Sherry Clouser
05:42:38
UGA will be moving to S/M/U starting in the fall of 2023, and one of my concerns is facilitating the decision making of the break points of S, M, and U.
Jesse Watson
05:44:09
Sherry, we fell back on the university level standards and just translated a "D" to "M". It was the most legally defensible and there doesn't seem to be solid argument for any one choice over others
India Lane
05:45:53
challenging - this conversation relates to admissions as well. a GPA, even sliced and diced, is still imperfect and subject to many variables across programs. To me it's a numbers problems (and is the same for some internships and residencies). It's hard to look at the applicants effectively when the number is overwhelming.
Liz Devine
05:47:41
I have to run - thank you for a really interesting discussion!!
Sherry Clouser
05:47:44
Thanks for the suggestions!
India Lane
05:50:12
Thank you for inviting us! I have to step away now.
Sherry Clouser
05:50:13
Thank you, Dr. Sprunger!
Sherry Clouser
05:50:33
I'll be stepping out as well - appreciate you all!
Julie Nettifee
05:51:35
Thank you-excellent
Abi (she/her)
05:51:38
Thank you!
Luca Giori (he/him/his)
05:52:45
thank you everyone for this discussion. I have now to dedicate some time to my diagnostic duty.