Good Morning! While we're getting set up, type in the chat: where you're signing in from and what watershed you're in? https://mywaterway.epa.gov/communityhttps://ncdenr.maps.arcgis.com/apps/PublicInformation/index.html?appid=f82f583438e74bf29adcc76247381eee

Bill Holman, NC State Director for the Conservation Fund

Alleghany County, New River watershed

Good Morning! While we're getting set up, type in the chat: where you're signing in from and what watershed you're in? https://mywaterway.epa.gov/communityhttps://ncdenr.maps.arcgis.com/apps/PublicInformation/index.html?appid=f82f583438e74bf29adcc76247381eee

fred tarver, ncdwr, Raleigh, neuse, walnut creek.

Diane Ursano

Wake County, Neuse River

Holman II, I live in Pittsboro in the Robeson Creek/Haw River watershed. The Conservation Fund also works on land conservation on the Deep & Rocky Rivers.

Wake County right on the border of Neuse and Cape Fear River Basins

Diane Ursano in Chatham County. Pokeberry Creek Watershed

Cape Fear River Basin; Moncure, below Jordan Dam

Crows Creek, Haw River, Chatham County

Chatham County, Haw River

Greetings from Dorothy Hammett from Morgan Creek watershed, formerly of the Chatham Co. Meadow Branch/Terrls Creek watershed.

Mari Trosclair, Haw River watershed, Fathom Realty

Cindy Simpson, Durham, Neuse RB

Silk Hope Gum Springs Rd.

Cape Fear River Basin, Rocky River, Moncure, Chatham County

iPad finally cooperating. I’m in the Landrum Creek watershed.

Emily Barrett, Working in RTP with the Triangle J Council of Governments (Chatham Co is one of the governments we serve), Living in Cary, NC in the Upper Crabtree Creek Watershed.

Linda DeFrancesco, Pittsboro, Dry Creek watershed/Haw

Chatham County Silk Hope Community. Dry Creek?

Emily Wells, FWS, Raleigh, Neuse River

Linda Sims, Durham, Falls Lake watershed

Southern Pines, Little River WS, Cape Fear RB

Hillsborough, Neuse River

Cindy Simpson, Stirrup Iron Creek watershed, Neuse RB

Sam Jackson. Orange, Haw/Cape Fear RB

Brooke Massa, Ellerbe Creek, Neuse

Keith Miller - Chatham County / Rocky River area. Cape Fear Basin

Cape Fear River Basin

The speaker keeps fading in and out, rather hard to hear (my sound is all the way up).

Agree about speaker talking louder

I agree about voice- sounds muffled

What data would be helpful for the citizens or watershed groups to submit for the plans? And how do people submit the data?

Sounds good to me!

better now

I guess everyone understands the jargon. I’ll look it up later.

The jargon is difficult for me too!

Cindy feel free to put your questions here

I’ve got google.

Happy to help w jargon if I can- what in particular?

louder

what are HUC?

HUC stands for the Hydrologic Unit Code of a watershed (or part of a watershed) in the national Watershed Boundary Dataset. The number of digits in the code indicates the scale of the hydrologic unit. A ten-digit hydrologic unit (HUC10) is a bit smaller than a county, a twelve-digit hydrologic unit (HUC12) is a bit smaller than a township.

Thanks Emily!

Why is Rocky River not included?

Rocky River is part of the Deep River HUC

Loose connection somewhere? Cutting in and out significantly.

My volume is full up but speaker keeps going up and down in volume.

I am hearing her quite well too.

I can hear well!

Sounds good through earbuds

Sounds fine to me

hearing well over here

I can hear well. Maybe it is network issue in p'boro(?)

Headphones help

I only have trouble hearing Nora

I think Zoom has bandwidth issues based on the number of meetings going on at a given time. it will likely ebb and flow.

I don't think there is anything else we can do about the audio, but remember this is being recorded so you will be able to view that later and perhaps it will be improved since it will not be a live meeting (or you can use earphones)

What does NTU stand for?

Turbidity is the cloudiness or haziness of a fluid caused by large numbers of individual particles that are generally invisible to the naked eye, similar to smoke in air. The measurement of turbidity is a key test of water quality.

Probably better to think of NTU as the measurement unit for turbidity. But here is the official definition: Turbidity is described as the opaqueness of a fluid due to the presence of suspended solids and is measured in terms of nephelometric turbidity units (NTU).

The water collected in a bottle is used to find out the turbidity, which is measured by shining a light through the water and is reported in nephelometric turbidity units (NTU). During periods of low flow (base flow), many rivers are a clear green color, and turbidities are low, usually less than 10 NTU.

oops, didn't see you had already answered, Allison. :-)

Thank you both :)

confused how y axis demonstrates impairment

"freshwater stream miles"

oh now I think I understand... miles impaired?

Yes, stream miles impaired per subbasin.

what if it's highly impaired in a small location? Is that possible?

maybe simple way to understand NTU measured is to look a right angle to light streaming through a house window and you will see particles in the air. The same principle apples to measuring particles in water-light scattering idea applies- more particles, more scattering which is detected by instrument

Stream segments are monitored by the State, so the impairment goes with that segment.

oh ok.. think I see now. Thank you :)

Type any questions you have for Nora here and I'll ask them at the end.

I'm curious more big picture in the quality/health of our watershed? How are we doing? This is a lot more finer details that I was expecting. Maybe we will cover later. I guess right now we are talking about basin issues

can someone please share the link to this tool in the chat so we can access it easily?

Nora, does your group ever take Temp-DO within Jordan Lake during the summer? If so, is that data available?

The NCDWR All-in-One map that Nora was demonstrating is located here: https://ncdenr.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=de3c5e32939e43b9a780d449a49fdacf

Questions about Jordan Lake monitoring. Where can general public easily view the Chl-A sampling online, would it be the link you gave ? - how often measured? What about measurements of algal toxins? I've heard that DEQ has the instrumentation but not aware of any measurements other than at NCSU as research project

We will share a list of updated resources from today's meeting with everyone registered.

Are we seeing more high water events and, if so, what are the measured effects on water quality?

I do not understand why developers are being allowed to pump untreated effluent across streams and wetlands to remote pockets of septic drainfield so as to maximize the number of lots. Seems like a high risk with little oversight or monitoring.

should we be drinking water directly from the tap or should we always filter it?

Broad question about increasing urbanization impact on nonpoint pollution. With increasing impervious area, e.g., shopping mall parking lots, rainfalls events produce faster runoff. Has there been a historic look at relationship between urbanization and response of streams to runoff?

Thank you Allison. Citizen voices go a long way!

according to monitoring of Haw R below Hwy 64 bridge water quality for macroinvertebrates is excellent right now. Not measuring PFAS. Chatham Park Development has applied for a 401 permit to damage streams in the watershed of the Haw R and DOT has a pplied for a permit to damage streams and wetlands for a parkway for Chatham Park.

Thank you, Nora!

Just slides

NCDWR website for the Jordan Lake Nutrient Management Strategy: https://deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/water-resources/water-planning/nonpoint-source-planning/jordan-lake-nutrient

We’ll be sharing all the links/resources from the speakers as well as the PPT and recordings with those registered as well as on our website.

How would we mitigate agricultural loading? Would that be through improved ag regulations on sprays, fertilizes, etc.? Or are we just trying to encourage our farmers to use less fertilizer/quick release fertilizer?

/education of farmers?

Buffer zone between agricultural land and streams will lessen the nutrient load. Also tree planting will divert nutrients into tree growth

How can concerned citizens have a voice when town boards and developers override riparian buffer watershed regulations by a county?

Francis so that would be through programs like CREP?

I'm not familiar with CREP to answer that

https://www.ncagr.gov/SWC/easementprograms/CREP/index.html

Jordan Lake One Water (JLOW) website: https://www.tjcog.org/programs-energy-environment%E2%80%AF-water-resources/jordan-lake-one-water

Mikey, a common ag practice to split apply nitrogen to maximize crop uptake. Also, in addition to CREP, there are many NCRC and S&W programs to help farmers with conservation ag practices.

YES!

Curious if there is much compliance or interest in these programs broadly by big farms. I'm not directly involved in these farms so I really don't know/and am wondering

And thank you Michelle!

Homeowners love to overapply fertilizers to their lawns so they play a role too!

Most definitely^ hard to regulate that :/

Good question Mikey. I don't know.

Management companies that manage multiple HOA's might be a place to start for homeowners.

Yes was thinking landscapers and whatever you call the folks that come out and spray to "make your grass greener"

I don't know how many big farms take advantage ofthe conservation program. Most farmers don't want to over apply nitrogen (ie throw money away).

It was my understanding they over apply because they are water-soluble fertilizers that wash away easily, so it is a compensation method (just my understanding, I do not know if that is true)

Is there a future expected connection between the JLOW and the JL Rules?

Is there currently any discussion in the General Assembly about further delays in rule implementation?

Thank you, Patrick Beggs! That comment about degradation of stream banks by livestock was super valuable for me to hear.

what of poison runoff into the water ( glyphosates

A appreciation of the role beavers can contribute to helping many water issues?

How does the total quantity of pollution from agriculture in Jordan Lake compare to the quantity from developed areas?

what of aquifer pollution and long timeframe for mitigation?

I don’t hear much about ground water monitoring or conservation. Is groundwater monitoring in place and what resources are available for us to better understand our groundwater resources and planning for the future

Are there still public funds available to farmers on impaired waterways for the purpose of fencing-out the livestock, maybe restoring the stream banks?

Chatham County Soil & Water Conservation District: https://www.chathamnc.org/soilandwaterconservation

The Chatham County Planning Board has a subcommittee looking at groundwater resources currently.

https://www.chathamnc.org/government/departments-programs/planning/planning-board/planning-board-subcommittees/planning-board-well-subcommittee

The purpose of the subcommittee meetings are to discuss options to regulate the number of residential lots in a major subdivision that can be served by wells.

The ag vs development question is not just about acreage but total effect

Are the chat contents (links in particular) saved in the recorded version of this session?

No the chat does not accompany the recording; however I can send the chat text to folks upon request (it is text only, not formatted). We WILL be sending any links and resources mentioned in the chat to all participants.

CCP website: https://www.chathamconservation.org/

Click on the three dots to the right of where you type, it allows you to save the chat to your local.

Thanks Debbie and Cindy - useful information from both of you!

https://www.thehaw.org/

I apologize--I have to leave for an 11:00. Thank you for having me and feel free to reach out to me via the TJCOG if you have any Q's about JLOW. Here is our website (which is in need of an update): https://www.tjcog.org/programs-energy-environment%E2%80%AF-water-resources/jordan-lake-one-water

Thanks for your input Emily!

Thank you Emily!

Gretchen - how can we learn more about the planned improvements and bathroom facilities for the Bynum access?

Guil can you share how you sustainably and productively manage increased numbers of visitors?

Gretchen works so hard on behalf of the Haw River and we all benefit from her passion and dedication!

What are the sources of revenue that you quoted that Alamance has received directly related to the trail use?

Thank you!

Yes the Hwy 64 improvements are much better than without them!

Thanks to Gretchen and Guil.

Thank you Gretchen and Guil.

Great information. Thank you.

seth.mycko@ncwildlife.org

Thanks to everyone.

Seth - if you'd like for us to share an announcement on the CCP listserve, send it to info@chathamconservation.org.

will do. thanks!

Thanks for putting this on! Good information.

Huge thanks to Catherine, Debbie, Margaret, the speakers and organizers. Marvelous presentations and participation! So grateful!

Thanks, Tandy!

Great to see you Tandy! Thanks!

Thank you to all!

We will later send out the recording and links to resources to all of you.

Great meeting! Thanks to all the speakers.

Chatham County Soil & Water Conservation District: https://www.chathamnc.org/soilandwaterconservationPlease feel free to reach out with any questions regarding water quality and water quantity on ag land. I'm always interested in making site visits to see where we can possibly help. Thanks everyone!

Thanks All!

thanks so much

Thank you!